March 10-11, 2003

Best Western Heritage Inn – Great Falls


NRTC Needs Analysis – Bob Cunningham

Objective: Identify courses that NRCG should conducted next winter (approx. 28-30 courses, not necessarily including multiple sessions of the same course)

Historically, logistics and planning courses are held on alternative years


Recommended courses:

Planning Curriculum: numbers may be low, but classes will still be held

Finance Curriculum: numbers may be low, but classes will still be held

I-400, Advanced ICS (2 sessions)

S-258, Communications Equipment Procedures

S-371, Helibase Manager: recommended, but decision is deferred; EMZ (Billings) has offered to host this course

S-339, Division/Group Supervisor: recommending as potential swing course

S-378, Air Tactical Group Supervisor

S-381, Supervisory Concepts and Techniques (3 sessions)

S-400, Incident Commander

S-404, Safety Officer

S-420, Command and General Staff (4 teams; will try for 2 safety positions each team)

S-430, Operations Section Chief

S-440, Planning Section Chief

S-460, Logistics Section Chief

S-490, Advanced Wildland Fire Behavior Calculations

S-491, National Fire Danger Rating System (NFDRS)

RX-300, Prescribed Fire Burn Boss (3 sessions); EMZ (Billings) would like to host a session if the need exists

RX-310/340, Introduction to Fire Effects (3 sessions); EMZ (Billings) would like to host a session if the need exists

RX-410, Smoke Management Techniques

Smoke Modeling

D-310, Support Dispatcher: recommended; need to determine impact of ROSS

P-301, Wildland Fire Prevention Planning: recommended

*Committee should bring this issue to NRCG Board; asking for opportunity to meet with prevention committee to meet the needs identified – course needs to be taught as described in manual (emphasis needs to be on doing the job from the ground level, instead of putting emphasis on computer-end of the job)

Intermediate Air Operations (update of the former S-370)

Local Fire Management Leadership: recommended by NRCG Board

Single Engine Air Tracker (SEAT) Manager

Helicopter Manager Course

Simulation Train the Trainer: not on prior needs analysis, but still recommended


Action: Bob Cunningham will send draft of training recommendations to zone reps for further discussion


MOU Update – Neil Nelson

Objective: have attendees review this document and recommend changes before end of meeting in order to make it “official”

It will be posted on the website and will be sent out to all trainers


MOU Audit Program – Mike Kopitzke

DRAFT based on previous MOU; designed to spot-check current cooperators and evaluate/audit specifications in regards to courses and records

Recommendation: identification of a minimum expectation of one audit per zone per year

Action: formation of sub-committee needed to develop evaluation process of private contractors, have plan put together and in place to zone coordinators by mid April: Mike Kopitzke--Chair, Nancy Gibson, Kitty Ortman, Tracey Nimlos; other individuals to be added in the future


Leadership Curriculum Issue Paper – Bob Cunningham


Selection Process for Courses at NRTC

In regards to courses with pre-qualifying pre-work (S-490, S-491)

- Discussion regarding the conflict between choosing “the best and the brightest” according to pre-work scores and selecting individuals according to the zone’s priority list for the course

Recommendation: “all other things being equal,” as long as the individual attains the qualifying pre-work score, the zone’s priority listing should take precedence (instead of selecting individuals in order of the pre-work scores)

Recommendation: Minor edit to program plan in regards to billing on a per seat or tuition basis for individuals in the private sector/local government; Bob Cunningham to pursue MOUs with Montana Fire Wardens, DES

            *Committee should bring this issue to the NRCG Board; Committee supports Mike Kopitzke’s written proposal


Zone Training Schedules / Time Lines – Neil Nelson & Bob Cunningham

- Discussion of complexity of coordinating training schedules

Action: Target date of June 1, 2003 for zones to have submitted their tentative training schedules; actual dates to be submitted by September 1, 2003

- Discussion of need for zone’s priority listing cover sheet for each course for NRCG to compare to the nominations they receive

Action: Zones need to start sending this sheet, in spreadsheet form, to Rosie at NRCG – Course Number and Title are necessary; beyond that, zones may customize the sheet to their liking

            Deb at CDC to email the spreadsheet template


Action: Training Committee Representatives for various NRCG Committees

            These individuals need to be added to the respective mailing lists:

Aviation – Judy Heintz

Business – Andy Randall & Nancy Gibson

Equipment – Mike Kopitzke

Operations – Eric Kurtz

Prevention – Tim Crosmer


DNRC Issue Paper (LCES to LACES) – Eric Kurtz

- Lookouts Awareness Communications Escape Routes to Safety Zones

IOS Working Team reviewed and adopted this item; it will be updated in the Fireline Handbook; the white paper will be printed in March/April editions of Wildfire Magazine and Fire Chief Magazine(?)

- Arrive Alive campaign – essential incident response driving

Video copies may be available for each zone

- Fireline Handbook insert being produced to reflect that Fire Orders are reverting back to the original 10 Standing Firefighting Orders from 1969

- Private Sector Class C Fallers: Montana Logging Association & Idaho Logging Association do not certify fallers; the certification process is through the Forest Service and the BIA

FYI: Chainsaw Certifiers Conference: April 8 & 9 in Missoula

There will be no task books for Class A, B, C Fallers, so there is no NWCG standard


Annual Refresher Training – Neil Nelson & Bob Cunningham

In February, the NRCG Board decided that Refresher Training will be whatever the hiring agency requires (whether it be 4 hours, 8 hours, Standards for Survival, etc.)

NWCG 310-1 simply states “Standard for Survival” – no hours requirement is stated

Recommendation to the NRCG Business Committee: Committee’s response to private contractors: If the contractor thinks he/she will be hired by the Forest Service at any time in the next year, he/she needs to take the 8-hour refresher course

Action: Neil Nelson to pass this information (response) on to the NRCG Business Committee, in order to have it disseminated to the Training Vendors

Recommendation to the NRCG Business Committee: In regards to Chapter 20 for private contractors, Standards for Survival must be taken the first year; for every year thereafter, annual refresher training must be a minimum of 4 hours, to include: current issues and shelter deployment practice


IQCS Update – Merrie Johnson

The Incident Qualifications and Certification System (IQCS) is currently in the Construction phase. Implementation of beta testing is expected to begin in October/November 2003 in selected geographic areas. Full implementation is currently anticipated for Fall 2004.


TWT Update – Merrie Johnson

There are two categories of training: Category 1 - accomplishes the skills and knowledges that are required for the job; Category 2 - additional training is accomplished through task book completion

Target date for PMS310-1 revision is 2005 (occurs on a 5-year basis)

FYI: The Training Working Team (TWT) will be meeting in Polson in September. Guests are invited to attend, but are requested to contact Merrie beforehand with issues that they would like to have addressed.


NRCG Committee Reports

An invitation had been extend to all other NRCG committees to send a representative to the Training committee meeting. No one showed up.


Meeting Ajourned