Coeur d’Alene, ID
March 5-6, 2001
Mike Kopitzke: PRIVATE CONTRACTORS/MONTANA LOGGING ASSOCIATION/NRCG
q MLA is starting to train about 1300 people.
q Want to have every contractor to be in “system” (keep track of training completed) with one central location so everyone has access to information.
q NRCG proposal is to house at NRTC.
q NRCG Taskforce w/contractors is driving proposal.
q MOUs are being signed as of today which states that “WE” will train MLA personnel who then will train their people using current standards (i.e., we train instructors).
q This is only a “certifications” process and we are not responsible for the training itself.
q NRCG is driving this issue and is a very political one.
q Position Task Books are an issue.
q MLA will not issue Red Cards.
q May require zones to have MOUs in place to provide instructors.
q Seems as though NRCG bypassed our committee and may not have much say in what we can or can’t do.
MOTION: Marilyn will contact NRCG training rep (Brian S), each zone coordinator, and NRTC (Bob C) to set up a conference call within 2 weeks to get a better understanding on what is proposed and what we as a training committee are expected to do.
TECHNICAL SPECIALIST (handout)
q Water Truck involves roads, deliver of water only.
q Water Tender involves pumping, etc.
q A guideline to training is needed.
This is the first step to refine and improve process.
q Want zones to train them to be Crew Boss qualified.
q Want zones to red card them.
q On a National Level, they want 600 people to be trained by summer.
Eric Kurtz: NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION (1051)
q Equalivant to NWCG 310-1 standards for training.
q It’s being revised but remember it’s only a “standard.”
q There are some differences as pointed out (what NFPA considers a FF1, NWCG considers a FF2 and either require redcards).
q Need to cross-reference.
q NFPA and 310-1 will never line up in the near future with NFPA standards been pretty much historical.
q States will have to come up with a tracking system – no standards.
q Make sure you have the Mobilization of Local Resources (MT state) with you to accompany the 310-1.
q Website is within the NR mob guide.
q Lots of Nmuanmics for Technical Specialists.
q Bob is asking for a history of zone training for the last 3 years if possible.
q There is no RX-590.
NATIONAL FIRE PLAN
q There will be a impact this spring which will double the class load.
q Contractors also impacted (EMZ).
q Weekend training is very common and necessary to meet the needs of other agencies.
q Would like to see the Nomination process to go electronic, maybe even a PowerPoint presentation to demonstrate the correct way to fill out.
q Discussed what needs to be filled out (everything), preferable electronic, and Training Representative is responsible for reviewing before it’s forwarded.
q Would also like to see an instructor’s list for zones.
MOTION: Marilyn will consolidate instructor’s list if each zone sends her a list by April 10th.
q 200/300 level course will see an increase in 2002.
q Interagency participation is important.
q PTB – look at PEP document for guidance.
q Will be a big impact to get trainees thru the system.
q Need to do a better job at getting trainees out. Have a current list for dispatch.
q Cadre: pretty limited pool of instructors. Looking at contracting some but pricey.
q Fire managers need to get more involved in the process.
q Forest Service is hiring about 1400 new and conversion positions and 300-400 for other agencies.
q No Forest has a Training Specialist full time. Need to take a look at this.
q Use colleges/High Schools for training facilities. This is becoming more popular and they want to become more involved as well. It’s a good opportunity but still need to have a balance – night and weekend classes are still needed.
q Cadre: need to recruit more instructors, students need to contribute more to training.
q Need to keep up with the new technology: CD, Web-based training, Teleconferencing, etc.
q The funding seems available so need to move fast.
q Schedules: Need to become more efficient within zones/zone boundaries.
MOTION: Keep track of time spend preparing for course: travel, prep work, instruct, etc., to get more support for new positions.
Each zone is to collect information for the year 1999/2000 training season: 1. number of classes; 2. number of hours; 3. number of students.
MOTION: A committee was set up to tackle some of these issues. Members include: Mark Vore, Kitty Ortman, Tracy Schiess, Mike Kopitzke, Jean Claybo and Bob Cunningham.
MOTION: The Needs Analysis will include all zone courses not just NRTC courses so more coordination can be done within zones. Bob C will send out information.
Conference call will be set up to discuss 100/200 level courses for 2001/2002. Set date is April 9th.
ANDY/ROSIE: WORD FORMAT
q Conversion of WORD documents is a problem. Can they be converted to Rich Text?
q A lot of discussion on the new database – Registrar, and future nominations process.
q Most other Geo Areas will only be accepting nominations in electronic format due to uncomplete/unreadable submission issues as well as database interactions. .
q You can expect to see a new electronic nomination form on the web which will ease this process. PNW is currently working on this form.
MOTION: We will continue to do business as is. The WORD document will soon be solved in that Registrar will be generating a report not a memo.
NR nomination process. Zones don’t necessarily have to put priorities on the nomination forms. Rather, NRTC would like to see a cover sheet with a list of all nominees in priority, for each class. This will simplify the process and help in dealing with misplaced nomination forms.
MIKE KOPITZKE: MT-DNRC – EFF
How many and when do we train Emergency Fire Fighters (EFFs)?
They have an interest in going on fires but what about training?
There is expertise out there but how do we tap into it?
Must keep in mind there are a lot of Trainees out there competing for assignments and they might not get called at all.
NRTC facilities are not made available for training being they are occupied by the MAC group.
MOTION: Mike needs each zone to give him input as to when or what triggers training or starting to train EFFs. He will assure it gets into the NR Mob Guide.
NR Mob Guide needs to reflect that MT, ID, ND all part of the NR not just MT.
MOTION: Marilyn will propose/address NRCG about the use of NRTC training rooms to train EFFs during summer. If not possible then some other facility needs to be pre-identified.
MONTANA FARM BUREAU
Want to be treated just like MLA having MOUs, etc.
But now they also want to be Dozer Bosses, etc.
Where do we stop? Suggest we stop at Technical Specialist.
MOTION: Marilyn will draft letter to NRCG with concerns: 1. We have a system in place, us the system (MOUs, provide training thru their own, but can’t go beyond Technical Specialist), then forward to Bob C, Mike K and Mike D for review.
MISC ACTION ITEMS:
q Bob C will include Burn Area Rehab Team course on the Needs Analysis spreadsheet.
q Bob will send out the membership list of the TWT. We need to try to get a representative on that committee.
q Nomination Due date in catalog will be the ZONE due date of October 15th (or both Oct 15th and Nov 1st).
q Nominations from Zones are due into NRTC by Oct 23rd .
Nominations from the zones are due into NRTC by October 23rd (before the Fall meeting).
FALL MEETING is set for October 25th at 1000 in Missoula.
(p.s.) there is a new EMZ rep and the web has been update so be sure to print off the new member list.
S-371 Helibase Manager
S-403 Information Officer
S-375 Air Support Group Supervisor
S-378 Air Tactical Group Supervisor
Intermediate Air Operations (update of former S-370)
Single Engine Airtanker (SEAT)
Helicopter Manager Course (Maybe Regional or NRTC Coordination)
Aviation Contracting Officer Representative (ACOTR)(Non NRTC Coordination)
RX-300 Prescribed Fire Burn Boss (Multiple Sessions)
RX-340 Introduction To Fire Effects (Multiple Sessions)
RX-410 Smoke Management Techniques (Non NRTC Coordination)
S-390 Introduction to Wildland Fire Behavior Calculations (Multiple Sessions)
S-490 Advanced Wildland Fire Behavior Calculations
S-492 Long Term Fire Risk Assessment (Non NRTC Coordination)
S-493 Fire Area Growth Simulation (FARSITE) (Non NRTC Coordination)
Managing Wildland Fire For Resource Benefit
S-339 Division Group Supervisor
S-346 Situation Unit Leader
S-347 Demobilization Unit Leader
S-348 Resource Unit Leader
S-360, Finance/Administration Unit Leader
S-381 Advanced Supervision (Multiple Sessions
S-400 Incident Commander
S-420 Command and General Staff, Pacific Northwest will host course, Northern Rockies can expect to fill 1 team. If needed NRTC will host additional S-420 course
S-430 Operations Section Chief
S-440 Plans Section Chief
S-443 Infrared interpreter (Non NRTC Coordination)
S-460 Finance Section Chief
Effective Fire Management Presentation (Multiple Course) NRTC to coordinate update of course materials and package materials hand package of to zone for zone presentation. NRTC will host one session to test materials prior to handoff.
S-491 National Fire Danger Rating System (NFDRS)
Fire Computer Applications (Non NRTC Coordination)
Fire Procurement (Non NRTC Coordination)
Fire Program Management (Course development status not firm)
Human Resource Specialist (Non NRTC Coordination)
Incident Medical Specialist (Non NRTC Coordination)
Weather Station Maintenance (Non NRTC Coordination)
Local Fire Management Leadership
D-310 Support NRTC will host one session to test materials prior to handoff.
S-371 Helibase Manager
S-403 Information Officer